Curse

MasterSasori · Dec 10, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Pericles

I am absolutely going to go crazy if I see one more person bringing up the argument of 'Rangers have lots of utility + interrupts and need to spread conditions' THIS ARGUMENT IS MUTE!!!!!! (not correct/valid)
because OTHER CLASSES CAN DO THE SAME, paragons can apply Deep Wound for heavens sake, from a distance!, furthermore they can apply every single condition rangers can with the exception of poison.

Conclusion:
1.Give the rangers some sort of damage buff
OR
2.Give the other classes less conditions so rangers become more exclusive

Also rangers are NOT used in high-end pvp, all the the other classes are.
Everyone who says they are are talking about minor exceptions or are lying.
Period.

Paragons don't interrupt nearly as well as rangers. In addition, their range doesn't reach as far as a ranger's.

Ranger themselves are exclusive enough.

Irish Ranger · Dec 11, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

I think bows are just fine. Guild Wars imo is one of the few games of it's type to actually get bows right. Other games i play like Neverwinter nights bows and bow classes are underpowered and completely ignored. Why change something that works? Maybe the different types of bows could be changed slightly to make them a bit more interesting?

elektra_lucia · Dec 11, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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I am absolutely going to go crazy if I see one more person bringing up the argument of 'Rangers have lots of utility + interrupts and need to spread conditions' THIS ARGUMENT IS MUTE!!!!!! (not correct/valid)

It's a perfectly valid argument. I think bows are fine as they are; in addition, if you're going to explain what mute means (while in capital letters) I suggest you find out for yourself. Mute does not mean 'not correct/valid'. It means silent, I think the word you are looking for is 'moot' perhaps

. I wouldn't normally correct such a thing but you went into such trouble explaining, with your brackets and shift key pressed down I felt obligated to help

.

Moonlit Azure · Dec 11, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Bows are perfectly fine the way they are. Rangers aren't to be doing the most damage imo.

iridescentfyre · Dec 11, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by Pericles

THIS ARGUMENT IS MUTE!!!!!! (not correct/valid)

Moot
Yeah, I just corrected a two month old spelling error. What of it?

Irish Ranger · Dec 12, 2007, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Maybe the problem isn't the damage of the bow but the fact that 80% (guess obviously =p) of the bow skills aren't used. Most rangers have near enough the same skills on their skill bar. If you look at the marksmanship skills so many are completely useless and the recharge is ridiculous for what they do. Some of them do the exact same thing. I'd like to see these skills improved (not necessarily damage) to make them more appealable and not have every single ranger an identikit of each other and to get the rangers who ignore bows back using them. Btw does anyone use hornbows?

But apart from the lack of varying effective builds due to pointless bow skills the ranger is extremely effective in battle.

Bring magebane, savage and distract to battle and you can shut down casters completely and make it alot easier to interrupt rof etc. Quickshot and needle with kindle/ignite can be effective. The ranger is powerful at what they do. Be a warrior if you want to see huge numbers all the time.

Tyla · Dec 12, 2007, 12:12 AM // 00:12

in before close
thread necromancy is baed!
(ive always wanted to say that)

John Panda · Dec 12, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

you know this all depends on what situation your using a bow in

for example if your using a longbow with barrage is underpowered but thats why you have such things as flatbows and recurves bows are not underpowered they have certain things they can do that recurvers are for general purpose longbows are for pulling flatbows are for barraging

Wakka · Dec 12, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Flatbow's are only useful for Barrage if your bring FW.

L-I-E-S · Dec 12, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

12 pages in.

No one has considered the crossbow. ANet included.

This thread is full of fail.

ensoriki · Dec 12, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Rangers aren't used in High end pvp?
[card]Crippling Shot[/card]
kthxbai, you'll be glad you did.

Rangers are deadly man, Also other classes do the same? pfft....ignorance is bliss isn't it?

Ashe. · Dec 12, 2007, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

I really think they do. Scythes have the bonus of hitting multiple targets. They have a good IAS and they attack faster than most bows. Along with having a much higher critical hit. Spears have almost identical damage. I've found they seem to miss much less than Shortbows, could just be coincidence, they attack much faster and are 1 handed.

I'll give it 5 seconds before some prick interprets this post as 'i want my Ranger to shoot enemies through the heart, killing them in 1 hit'.

Haha that's why I hated Rangers when I first started playing. :P

Liquid Wood · Dec 13, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

I mean sure bows alone don't do super damage alone but once you apply preps and use bow attacks you can't really complain.

As far as high end PvP, rangers are very handy and bothersome. Ever heard of the ranger spike groups (they kick ass btw)

Wakka · Dec 13, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Ranger spikes are a bit old lol suppose you could still pull off a decent one.

As long as your Ranger has a good FPS and half decent reflexes he should fit well into a GvG team.

Is there still a BA Ganker

havent played in a while.

Splitisoda · Dec 13, 2007, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Yes, I just fought a mesmer who dodged EVERY single one of my arrows and im not even using a longbow. I dont care ifi ts good micro to hell with that. She casts a spell and moves a few inches and then i see *dodge* bows REALLY need at least faster attack rate.

Wakka · Dec 13, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Yes, I just fought a mesmer who dodged EVERY single one of my arrows and im not even using a longbow. I dont care ifi ts good micro to hell with that. She casts a spell and moves a few inches and then i see *dodge* bows REALLY need at least faster attack rate.

The key is to time your shot until she/he stops to cast. If hes running around like that and is only stopping to cast spells then watch his movement, the milli-second you see him stop fire off a distracting/savage shot

You should catch his spell if your fast enough.

iridescentfyre · Dec 13, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Yes, I just fought a mesmer who dodged EVERY single one of my arrows and im not even using a longbow. I dont care ifi ts good micro to hell with that. She casts a spell and moves a few inches and then i see *dodge* bows REALLY need at least faster attack rate.

Ah, but what bow were you using? It needs to be a Recurve in PvP unless you're really trying to bombard something from long range with one or two shots.

jaeharys targaryen · Dec 13, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Also rangers are NOT used in high-end pvp, all the the other classes are.
Everyone who says they are are talking about minor exceptions or are lying.
Period.

you are an idiot

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Ummm... lol? Ever heard of RaO?

unfortunately, so are you.

Solus Spartan · Dec 14, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

Yes, bows should have 9-41 basic damage and hit 3 people from range.
Me neither.

Only 3, they need to damage 16 TARGETS! Then I'd finally use ignite arrows outside Pre Searing.

Joker · Dec 14, 2007, 08:45 AM // 08:45

I must say that I spend all my time on my ranger, it is the one class that i actually enjoy and I am quite experienced with it. I think one of the main issues is that, without a shadow of a doubt rangers an generally underpowered comapired to other classes. Anyone that has played a ranger knows that they have a hard time getting into groups because most of the time, another class can do nearly everything a ranger can, and do it better.

Weather bows, marksmanship skills, or whatever gets a buff I think rangers need some work in general.

IMHO beast mastery needs some very serious attention.

This is all just my $.02

This is all solely based on my expirence in PvE. I am not making any claims, whatsoever about PvP.